Why Posture, Breathing & the Nervous System Drive Pain, Performance & Burnout with Kasia Galica

Today's guest was Kashia Ghalika, um, who does postural restoration. I can't even say that. Um, and [...0.5s] what an interesting topic and, um, great sort of advocate for these techniques that she teaches [...0.6s] her client. She works a lot with executive clients, she works with athletes, [...0.7s] etc. But, um, it's really a foundational type of, um, practice.And it was kind of neat to hear her own story of how, you know, she spent many years doing this sort of stuff that you thought you need to do as a sort of an athlete and practitioner, strength training, yoga, etc.And she realized [...1.0s] she needed, you know, her body to go back to sort of reset and start over again. And she figured that out and now is sharing that with others [...0.9s] and doing a sound like a good job of it.So [...0.7s] just really informative, neat discussion, um, hearing her talk about her practice and what she does and how she approaches it.So [...0.5s] I think [...0.5s] the people in our audience are [...0.5s] gonna get a kick out of this one and probably find some ways to hopefully seek their own [...0.8s] kind of improvements in this, in this realm [...0.6s] for themselves as well.Yeah, I agree. I think, you know, so much we get caught up in the day to day, just rigging more or and just going as fast as we can.And [...0.5s] I took away from it was just we need to slow down, we need to be paying more attention to our bodies, and instead of just rushing into the next surgery, the next [...0.6s] all the next whatever, you know, listen more to our bodies and trying to find out what that root cause is, and trying to make those different small incremental improvements.So I really enjoyed that and thought I can take that and practice that my own life. So, so my background is actually in health communication. So I, I studied health communication in grad school, and after that, I ended up at the National Cancer Institute.So I ended up in the behavioral research program, [...0.5s] um, at NCI. And like I mentioned, at that time I started to dabble in fitness and wellness, mostly because I had [...1.0s] early chronic pain. So at 19, I, I had a number of diagnoses, scoliosis, leg length discrepancy, [...0.7s] discrepancy, all sorts of things. And I didn't really understand why I was too young to be having a lot of that pain. Um. But I started kind of having to engage with the medical system at that time because I would be waking up [...0.7s] in chronic pain and it was really disruptive. Um.But I plowed forward with my studies. I ended up at the National Cancer Institute and on the side, I started doing yoga and became a yoga teacher. Um. But in the fitness space, as I was doing these things to try to fix myself because I wasn't getting much relief with doctors, um, or getting a lot of direction at all. Um, in the medical space, [...0.7s] I just kind of had to keep going at my own.And so I made a lot of mistakes. Because yoga, for one, is more of an art form. It's not necessarily a healing modality as much as it's sold to be one. Because it's also very diverse. Uh.You can have yoga where you're just sitting and breathing, but you can also have yoga that looks much more like contortionism and gymnastics, [...0.8s] uh, which no one would probably say is, uh, [...0.8s] therapeutic. It's much more active. It's kind of like a sport.So I was doing a lot of that kind of [...0.6s] athletic yoga and ended up with more injuries than I started. So then I had no choice but to, to dive into strength training.I became a strength and conditioning coach and then a mobility specialist. Um, and then finally in 2020, I was introduced to postural restoration.So postural restoration is a neurological approach to the body. It's a much more holistic understanding of [...0.6s] this entire system of systems. So our body is not just muscles and bones. And in fact, our posture is much more influenced by our respiratory and our nervous system.So you can imagine as, as I say the word posture, most people try to straighten up and then try to sit up tall. Um, but the fact is your posture is not something that you're actually holding, but it's something that holds you [...0.7s] based on your patterns and based on your environment and space on your injuries, concussions, dental work, uh, whether or not you can breathe through both nostrils, um, your early childhood developments, whether or not you breastfed, you were breastfed. Uh, how long did you crawl?All of these things [...1.0s] end up being [...0.6s] why or why not, uh, your body [...0.6s] moves efficiently, [...0.8s] so the sports you played, all of those things. So in finding that, it really launched me into a much more holistic career.And by background and consulting, I know I kind of we've been weaved around by jobs. But as I was doing all of these [...1.1s] side gigs, I would say mostly because I was not, I was trying to fix myself.I ended up in corporate wellness or, or in corporate tech, [...0.6s] just working in office management or [...0.9s] kind of business process management type of works. I worked in tech and as well as, [...0.9s] um, [...0.7s] big kind of, [...1.9s] while I was learning this other stuff, I would bring it into the office as well.So you can imagine I was kind of always the one being like, we should [...0.6s] have a yoga class or you should have a meditation class. Um. So I would facilitate those and lead them or I'd be teaching ergonomics of sitting [...0.9s] things like that.So that's kind of in a nutshell how, how I got to today. And I really do [...0.7s] a lot of executive coaching, mostly virtual. Uh, most of my clientele is virtual because [...0.7s] as I, as you all know, I work, I work with executives who maybe own businesses, are traveling a ton and they're global.So partial restoration is not new. It's about 25 years old the institute itself, but there aren't many of us that are certified in credentials and are able to coach it in this way.So I don't work like a traditional physical therapist. I work like a, like the executive business coach. And I create my programs in a way that those people who are traveling and they're out and about, they don't have to stop in to go see their physical therapist.I'm in their home [...0.6s] helping them do and rehabilitate and and, and create their programs so that throughout their week [...0.5s] running their jobs, their families, etc.Travel that they're compounding their benefits of their movement strategy instead of what typically most people are doing is just running their heads into the ground at the gym [...0.9s] with, with imbalanced volume and load of, of efforts, [...0.7s] and ending up injuries that are just compounding year over year. And they're really never getting to the root cause of their issues. They just end up, kind of, having to quit their, their job. They're not necessarily doing jobs, but their, their activities, right. They do less of the activities that they love because of me, which we know.I imagine you all have that same philosophy, is not convicted to health, [...1.8s] is your, is your work, then sort of you look at your work and more is, like, a foundational, like, the place to start, and then they can augment what you do with [...0.8s] chiropractic or acupuncture, whatever other mentality they wanna choose.But sounds like if you're talking about getting back to, like, [...0.5s] your breathing posture, and, I mean, you're talking about the very foundation of being a human. I guess [...0.5s] if that's a way to say it, is that kind of how you view it, and is that your approach? [...2.0s]Uh yeah, I would say, so I would say it's the toolbox, so chiropractic care, acupuncture, a lot of my colleagues are chiropractors, physical therapist trainers, acupunctures massage therapist. Partial restoration is almost like the toolbox.It's the framework that provides, [...0.6s] uh, the, [...0.5s] the global architecture of the human body and the way the brain functions.And then you can deploy these other tools like a chiropractic adjustment like acupuncture, um, like massage, like other certain modalities like yoga, even [...0.5s] in order to continue to improve and advance the, the program.So posture restoration is definitely not just like a tool. It's, it's more of the framework because in posture restoration, we we are, we are learning and understanding how the nervous system works.So if you have, let's say you have some knee pain, well, then typically our framework is, unless that knee just got an injury in this moment, if it's an, if it's a chronic [...0.5s] knee pain, guess what?It's probably not a knee problem. [...2.1s] So it's not a reductionist piece of the body. So our body is much more about the whole system.So that is kind of hits home to myself. I have a bad right knee and been trying to work through that. What would that kind of, if I was to work with you and what kind of [...0.6s] practices or, or how would I start working with you? And what does that look like? Door?Great question. Um, I've had more questions and answers at this moment because I would have to ask when did it start? Um you know, what kind of activities do you like to do?When does it hurt? Uh, what if you already tried so that I can start to figure out what the variables are there because I might begin to ask you, well, have you had any recent [...0.7s] root canals?Did you have a prescription change for your glasses? Because those things can actually impact [...0.5s] how your body moves and operates in space. Uh.Because I work with a lot of tech folk. I like to use analogy of, I work with the software of your body, not necessarily just the hardware. [...1.0s] Your hardware, we can change it, right? You can have a knee replacement, you can have a hip replacement, we can [...0.8s] bandage something up.But your software dictates how you move and interpret your environment, the ground that you're walking on [...0.5s] the, uh, the way that you can move through space, let's say with looking straight ahead and viewing your environment. Um. So that's kind of how we would approach it. And then to your question of what would we do?Well, partial restoration has these techniques. We call them techniques cause they're not exercises because I don't want people to think that you're treating it like an exercise. We all know I'm assuming you guys exercise.Hmm yeah, so when you go to the gym, you kind of have a certain mindset. You're there to [...0.8s] use some intensity, you're there to sweat, you're there to feel strong. You're there to do reps and sets [...0.6s] with posture restoration.I call them positional breath work techniques, [...0.8s] but we call them techniques because you are using a certain position, then you're gonna breathe there and you're essentially mapping your brain to that position so your body can rewire itself from the inside out.So imagine your knee is connected to your hip. Your diaphragm is your biggest, thickest, strongest muscle inside. And it actually connects very well right into other muscles that affect your knee like the soas. So the founder of Foster Restoration Rocks that has, like you know, they'll, they'll say he's dissected some 1720 cadavers and you cannot separate the soas from the diaphragm.So I'm sure you have, you all heard about the soas muscle. Yeah, mine hurts all the time. [...3.5s] So I'm sure with a few positional breathwork techniques, your so as would hurt a lot less, right? All good. Okay, I'll call you after this. Yeah yeah, I would love that.That's awesome. So you're saying some stuff that we've, kind of heard before about, you know, just everything's connected in the body, and that's what I guess, that's what frustrates David. And I [...0.7s] were talking to some of our employees about [...0.6s] whatever health issue they wanna share with us.It's like, I went to the doctor because, you know, this hurts or this felt bad. And it's like, that's all the doctor talk to them about. And then we get somebody like you who talks about if your knee hurts, maybe it's cause you had a root canal, and people will probably look at you like you got three heads when you say stuff like that.So, [...0.6s] I mean, I, I'm all on board, but can you talk more about [...0.9s] what, what's the body doing? Like how is the body how is the knee can, how is the knee getting a signal from the mouth that something is not right? Like what, what is called, what is that pathway? And then how do we [...0.8s] repair or retrain that pathway to, to act differently? [...1.0s]Yeah, great question. There's obviously a lot of layers to it. And in this kind of short form content [...0.7s] one, I'm not the founder of this institute, I'm just relaying a lot of the stuff that I've Learned.But going back to your original point of how [...0.5s] most people will have a hard time connecting to that [...0.9s] belief that everything's connected probably because they haven't necessarily [...0.8s] been explained or that concept has not been explained to them by somebody else in power, right? Or somebody else that they've already worked with.So I think you're hitting home on the biggest part of [...0.6s] my job is actually helping people unlearn what they think already, what they already think about their body, right? We all have an intuition of what our body feels like and we have our own story [...0.5s] from our childhood or this [...0.6s] sports we played.So typically my [...0.7s] approach have a lot more to do with connecting first with what somebody cares about, [...1.1s] what they want to do, and then what they already think about their body. And then I can start chipping away at helping them understand that these things are connected. [...1.5s]But the biggest, [...0.6s] biggest honestly tool that I have is helping them feel it. Because feeling is believing, so experiencing, oh wow, we just did this like uh, five second breathing exercise where I made them shift their hip a little bit and then I say, hey, can you feel your left heel [...0.9s] and reach with your right arm?And then they stand up and they go, whoa, my knee doesn't hurt. Like what is this magic? Right? And I then we can go, then we can go from there. Do you see what I mean?Sometimes having the, uh, the conversation about the mechanisms or trying to get them to [...0.6s] understand something that physically doesn't make sense in their body yet doesn't often work for me. So typically, um, I'll relate a lot of these concepts to the sports that they like to play.So tennis or golf. And if someone's feeling knee pain, [...0.6s] it's usually because their knee is rotating and it shouldn't be [...0.7s] so the knee [...1.5s] point, it can rotate, [...0.9s] probably not so [...3.4s] in, uh, as a result or as a solution for lack of rotation somewhere else. And that's gonna be lack of rotation probably at the hip. That's gonna be lack of ribcage motion.Ribcage rotation, [...0.6s] the body moves in triflainer ways. We don't just move like [...0.5s] robots.So another example I really love giving as I tell people, you've probably seen somebody who deadlifts a lot. You just look at somebody, and you're like, you walk like a deadlift, [...0.6s] you, you talk like a deadlift, you probably sleep like a deadlift. So that starts to look like you're losing movement [...1.2s] that is athletic. You're starting to lose movement that looks like [...0.6s] running, walking, and resting.Then they start to [...0.5s] understand that when you start losing that movement [...0.5s] because your body is stuck in a pattern, [...0.6s] well then it starts to make sense that maybe your knee is connected to how your ribcage moves. [...1.5s] Is that a, [...0.8s] is that kind of answer that question? Oh yeah, I love it.Yeah. How long have you, like you talked about, if you're doing those deadlifts incorrectly and you've been doing them now for, you know, decades and you've been creating now these negative neuropathways, the wrong form twisting of the knee, [...0.5s] what is the normal, I guess, time frame to fix those new pathways to create the proper, [...0.5s] uh, form and posture? How long does that normally take?Is that months that you're working on that every single day, that person needs to be doing that for an hour or 10 minutes or [...0.5s] what is that kind of [...0.6s] cycle look like?Yeah, great question. That is, that is the question I get a lot and it also [...0.9s] the answer I have to give as a disclaimer is always it depends. But with posture restoration because I have this history of yoga mobility training, learning proper form.I spent 15 years in the fitness industry doing all of that [...0.7s] and never getting better. So you could not tell me before that I just needed to have better form. The problem is I couldn't achieve better form because I was stuck in a certain state of movement.So being able to restore movement capacity actually can take a lot faster with the right approach. So partial restoration typically I will say that I typically don't work with clients shorter than three months. So three to five, six months, 10 months, a year depends on how long, [...1.4s] how [...0.8s] I've thrown in.So you start throwing in concussions, you start throwing in dental work, you start throwing in, um, multiple hip replacements, knee replacements. I might start increasing the time that it might take for them to restore their movement capacity.But at the same time, I'll tell you [...2.8s] often because it doesn't matter how many things are wrong with the hardware or hypothetically how long that person's been stuck in that pattern.There's a lot, there's many other variables [...0.7s] that [...1.1s] will, let's say, [...1.1s] influence how pliable, I, I don't like the word plastic because I don't like plastic in general, [...0.6s] um, [...0.6s] but how adaptable the brain is. Right?So if I'm working with someone and their brain is very adaptable, meaning, uh, there's someone who [...1.6s] just does the work and puts it in [...0.6s] and doesn't overthink too much, [...0.6s] um, then they're probably gonna get really quick outcomes. Um.If there's someone who, let's say has a lot of layered [...0.9s] stuff on top of their brain, meaning they have a lot of fear around movement, they have a lot of like, oh, I think this is how my hip works and so I'm doing it that way.Well then it might take me a few weeks to get to the middle ground with that person so that they start on learning faster [...0.5s] because the techniques are really, really intelligent.Why? Because your brain is really intelligent. When you're working with the neurology of the body, you can make changes really quickly. Like you're just using a really quick approach. Why? Because we're working with how the brain works.We're working with how the body works internally. And the diaphragm, like I said, is the most powerful muscle you can use because your brain only cares about three things.I think I put up four, but I meant three, [...1.2s] or here's the European way I should do. [...1.0s] There's three ways. So your brain only cares about three things. Don't die, [...0.8s] which is breathe, right? Don't die. Uh, don't fall over [...0.6s] and see straight, and those are pretty related.How you do that, how your organize, how your organism, your system of systems organizes in order for those three things to stay consistent. Doesn't matter, which is why you're gonna start seeing people who walk and they start to look really hunched and they're staring at the ground.That's fine. That, that for them is how they've adapted to see straight. Don't die and don't fall over. [...1.3s]My job with the tools that I have is to slowly [...0.6s] introduce and, and restore [...1.0s] optimal breathing patterns, which surprise restores optimal movement patterns as well. [...1.0s] How complicated that is, how long that might take really does depend on many factors, [...0.6s] one of which is how well I can do my job, [...0.5s] right.So I have a big role in that, in how well can I, let's say pivot if something's not working, how well can I create a relationship with my, with my client [...0.5s] where [...1.2s] I can catch when they're doing something wrong.And I say this specifically cause I've had a client like this just recently, where I realized that they were people pleasing me. I'd be like, hey, hey, do you feel this here?And they be like, yeah yeah, yeah, and I was like, [...0.6s] you don't feel that. Haha, you're not, you're not feeling the thing that I think you're supposed to be feeling.And that's where [...0.5s] that, that role of the provider and the client is so important because we all just want the outcome, right, of the work that we're doing, whether to put on muscle, to get faster, to sleep better.The reality is we have to get on the same page about what gets us there, [...0.6s] so that we can go through and, and clear obstacles as they're needed.So going back to the workspace, [...0.5s] in the workspace, we all want health to be there, but often times, there's obstacles [...1.1s] that none of us are actually willing to acknowledge are there. [...1.4s]When you working with, um, these folks, I'm wondering, are they coming to you because everything else is already been exhausted, and they [...0.6s] have just had no luck? Is that what it is?Maybe a follow up question because that one probably made me pretty obvious, but what do you also work with likes [...0.8s] athletes, you know, people that are in high performance, kind of, situations, just trying to make that extra [...0.6s] 1% improvement. [...1.6s]Yeah, absolutely. And it's kind of spot on that you said that because [...1.5s] probably just by the way that I'm explaining it absolutely, I end up getting the folks [...0.5s] who are like me, [...0.9s] I was someone who spent 15 years trying to fix things, right?With this modality, with yoga, with mobility training, which are all phenomenal, let's say, tools, [...1.1s] but without the foundation [...1.2s] of the neurological approach to the body, without understanding that my right diaphragm, my left diaphragm are not the same size, my right brain and my left brain are [...0.5s] doing different things, whether or not I can breathe through this nose and this nose impacts how my back feels.Without that framework, I was just kind of uh, [...1.2s] let's see music [...0.5s] constantly just, just doing whackable with my symptoms. Um.But yes, I do. Uh, I work with professional athletes as well as, as [...1.4s] I, I don't like to call them Gen Pop because we're all athletes in some form of function, um, in our businesses or at home. Um.But with professional athletes, I've actually been founded [...1.2s] to, to find that I often have to be very hush, hush about working with them, [...1.0s] uh, because there's a lot of politics in athletics.So, so I will not disclose the athletes that I work with, but, yeah, I have, I've worked with, uh, professional soccer players as well as, um, baseball players, and it's really fun, it's really fun.And I'll share that just like the question you had about how long will it take [...0.9s] professional athletes [...1.0s] work faster. But it's not because they are, [...2.0s] uh, let's say devoid of variables, devoid of obstacles. They may have had surgeries, they may have had concussions, they may have had [...0.7s] there.The, the thing that makes them move faster is that they are [...1.5s] integrating the work faster. So if I'm going to introduce, [...0.5s] um, let's say and restore some of their movement, well, they've got batting practice that evening.So we're doing a little bit of a change and then they're going to implement it and then rest is their priority, right? So they're also high level [...0.5s] working on their rest and recovering, so they end up moving much faster.So I might start a session with an athlete [...0.9s] where it's just not happening, right? This movement's just not there and they don't know why. And then I'll put them in a few positions and we'll change some things. By the end of the session [...0.5s] they're batting [...0.9s] much better.You see what I mean? It's applying, it's it's, it's, the technique that I'm doing is not the goal, [...0.8s] the outcome is the goal which means [...0.5s] their batting is better or their, their run is smoother or, [...0.6s] um, [...0.5s] the way that they, that they achieve their movement is more efficient because we've connected the dots for them in their software a little bit better.So going back to the example of your knee, correct, like, depending on what sport or how, what you like to do. [...1.6s] The the, the stretch or the positional breathing that we would do [...1.0s] would directly show you.Oh, and then you go and do that movement that used to hurt, and it no longer hurts. Well, then you're gonna keep doing that movement in a way that no longer hurts. So it, but if you go and sit at a desk for 10 hours of that day, what might take you longer to fix that movement? Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, that's a movement [...0.6s] and that was actually, oh, sorry, go ahead.Oh, I was just gonna say those athletes for that reason, they're integrating faster. I think, I think that word is the one that I like, [...1.1s] that makes a lot of sense. We're doing it, yeah, much faster. [...1.1s]Is there anything, so you had been in the workforce, worked for the government and been in the workforce? Is there anything that you see a business owner and HR professional could do to help [...0.5s] promote health in their team?And you'd mention sitting at a desk for 10 hours is maybe regression or not working towards a positive posture, um, meet having stand up death.Is there any other start with morning stretches as a company breaks every hour. Is there any ideas or thoughts that you have on promoting health and positive posture and minimizing injuries? And that's a lot of different things I just threw at you there, but [...0.6s] what an HR professional or business owner could do to, to try to educate their team. [...1.1s]Yeah, this is gonna be, I don't know if this is gonna be controversial, but because I was an H, [...0.5s] yeah, but because I was an HR professional myself.The devil really is in the details. It's in the details. So a lot of corporate wellness [...1.1s] is, is doing what essentially I did to my body [...0.5s] for 15 years, which was throwing more at it, [...0.9s] which was throwing more of random [...0.5s] things at it. So more stretching, more, more of this, more smoothies, more whatever.When the reality is people need [...0.6s] more outside time, they need more time with their families, they need more, [...0.6s] um, balance in the outside workspace in, outside of work come and do your work. Um, have a, have a work environment that's just slightly more conducive to natural environments, right.So lighting wise, um, [...0.6s] better, air quality, better, [...0.6s] just in general, better relationships within the office, [...0.5s] and then [...1.1s] encouragement to just have your life outside.Why? Because not everyone in the office should be next to each other doing yoga. [...1.3s] Sometimes that's not the conducive relationship to the relationship you're supposed to have with your colleagues.So having, like I said, having instructed yoga in workplaces and have incorporated those things, they seem like nice additions, [...2.4s] but you can see where I'm going with the relationships between colleagues and in in, in the office.It might be more productive to, to have your workspace, [...0.6s] your workspace [...0.6s] in those relationships, and then have more time to be out doing yoga with the people that you would rather be doing with that with.Right. Um, there's a lot of those politics when it comes to, [...0.5s] I don't know, sexual harassment or those kinds of things happening in the workplace.Let's maybe not throw more of wellness into the workspace, but instead really [...0.6s] understand how wellness [...1.0s] is [...1.0s] your balance of your life and your wellness activities that you would rather be doing with your friends, you should probably not be doing with your boss. [...1.2s]So that's my controversial take. That's actually, I think that's a really good point of [...0.7s] valid one for sure, especially, you know, these, this day and age, [...0.5s] just how it is.Well, and I'll go back to you and share, share just a little bit more, uh, because I have colleagues [...0.8s] who, who own businesses and own companies and people are always looking to that next thing to do to give themselves an edge.Um, and they're doing corporate retreats and they're doing executive retreats and they're going off and they're doing breath work [...1.0s] with [...1.0s] executive teams. And breath work is a powerful tool, yeah, and can lead to extreme nervous system disruption and can lead to emotional dysregulation.And then you've got a room full of executives [...0.9s] who are having, you know, this person's having a meltdown, this person's having a traumatic [...1.0s] emotional release. How do you fix that? That's not, that's not the place, [...0.5s] nor the time.And as a professional who does this with people one on one, it is often not safe to do that, [...0.6s] not safe to do that kind of work in group settings.And so I do see in the future a lot of people moving toward that because that is kind of where the wellness space is going. It's going towards these retreats. I think there's a positive push to retreat to being outside and being more, let's say, adventurous, which that I'm fine with.So bring back the corporate like uh, challenges of, you know like cool outside stuff. And and, and that comes kind of fun. But, like, keep it, keep it light and keep it a little bit.Um, [...0.8s] like I said, the devils in the details of [...1.8s] knowing what these things really represent in our bodies [...1.0s] and, and what kind of environment we're living in. [...1.6s]And I think balance really comes from allowing, allowing the workspace to be a space of productivity, [...0.6s] and not like I said, just throwing everything into it.Stand, standing decks are one thing. Um, economic supports or another. Changing the light environment in the office is another. Um, obviously having more spaces for break rooms outside meetings, things like that.Um, but like I said, demanding that people, [...0.7s] kind of, join one another in these [...0.6s] more vulnerable movement [...1.4s] spaces [...0.9s] can get dicey in a way that I think cost more money than, than not.Yeah, haha, you're probably right about that, haha, that you, uh, when you tell those stories or not, I just, I just read the book breath by, uh, yes, [...0.7s] sir, sir. Some of the stories he was telling about some of his experiences as group settings, kind of, make reminded me of what you were just saying.Like yeah, somebody has a complete and utter meltdown because they had some, kind of, basically they had a breakthrough in their body release something that I was holding for who knows how long. But you don't wanna do that in front of [...0.5s] your, your subordinates or something like that.That would not be a good way to, [...3.7s] I'm crying or whatever. One day, like, Josh, you're supposed to leave this company. Oops, I thought you did that often. Yeah, yeah, I cry for other reasons, [...0.6s] not forever. And someone might, and someone might argue with that that, that vulnerability is, oh, I'm sure.Welcome, welcome. I'm sure as well, it's just like I said the nuance, nuance really matters here.Yeah, no, it sounds like it could be pretty, pretty extreme [...0.7s] depending on what, what the body's got, you know, held up inside. [...1.0s] You might have to watch that. How does this work with, like, with over the age ranges?You know, I'm assuming like a lot of things are longer, there's a bad pattern, maybe the, maybe the harder it is to unwind. But I mean, could you help, could you work with someone that is in a nursing home and, um, is confined to a wheelchair?Maybe [...0.5s] as, as much as you could help, you know, a teenager who's in their first year of trying out for gymnastics or something.Yeah, absolutely. And like I said, I have colleagues that [...0.6s] work in all different types of populations. Um, even I have a colleague who works with [...0.5s] mostly athletes in the Special Olympics.So, so having every, everyone's body internally is almost identical unless you've got some other defects, but being able to have that framework of, oh yeah, we have a heart on this side, we've got a three pound liver on the right side, we are asymmetrically designed [...1.0s] for a reason. Um, and that's, and that's how we operate.So then you're applying your interventions [...1.0s] to the specific person in front of you, [...1.0s] having that framework, does that make sense? So in a lot of fitness, [...0.7s] uh, I Learned a lot of fitness [...1.0s] from a reduction at standpoint.Muscles, bones, [...0.6s] strength, these other concepts which are phenomenal and very important to understand, [...0.5s] but it wasn't given [...1.4s] and ability to look at the body as a map [...1.1s] that when something was going wrong that I could actually be a detective and figure out how to unravel that.So going back to my story, a big part of how my spine started to twist and I started getting all these aches and pains and, you know, [...0.6s] ended up looking and feeling the way that I did had to do with my braces, [...1.4s] had to do with my development from a young age.That's the root cause, that kind of, or the signal that gave my body. [...1.3s] It's map. And then my body started, I started to walk like this.I had a forward head posture. I always point to my nose because noses are not supposed to grow downwards. They typically grow forwards and up, but mine grew obviously flat because I had a forward head posture from a young age.So that is a development, [...0.6s] not a [...1.4s] I got, I got told I was adopted most of my life because no, [...0.7s] but that's a, that's a development for that [...1.4s] that's linked back to braces.It is [...0.6s] in my case, in my case, braces was an important signal [...0.9s] that LED to [...0.7s] the malalignment of my body because the way that my teeth were aligned, [...0.6s] um, the way that my teeth were into place and this was after extractions as well. So extraction, um, taking out bone out of your face.No surprise when I say it that way, most people are like, oh yeah, that probably does the thing right to the whole body cause your teeth are your bones.So pulling those out of your face lead to [...0.6s] changes and adaptations throughout your whole cranial structure. So your nasal cavities, your mouth, the bottom of your mouth [...0.5s] is the, or the top of your mouth is the bottom of your [...0.5s] sinuses, your eyes, you know, the entire system kind of works by floors. It's a, [...0.6s] again, posture restoration allows the framework.So you get to start looking at the body [...0.6s] as a series of domes, [...0.6s] floors [...0.8s] and pressure management. That's an oversimplification, of course, but sometimes that kind of relates to people when they start to understand [...0.8s] that.Let's say they put their pain in their pelvic floor is a pressure issue, [...0.5s] or their pain in their back is a pressure issue [...0.6s] versus a back problem. [...1.5s] You've brought up a couple different dental things, and, and I have actual appointment with my oldest son to go see an orthodontist on Tuesday.So somewhat interested from that aspect. But you also brought up the root canals [...0.6s] how, I mean, in a lot of. Josh has about 50 employees. I have 20, all [...0.5s] vastly with children.And that is a large reason why people have to take off. As for these different, [...0.5s] uh, a lot of dental appointments maybe, what [...0.5s] advice do you have? One for the orthodontist aspect, and then two if somebody is coming in, hey, I have to have a root canal on Tuesday.Is there any literature that you would recommend? Hey, instead of getting that root canal because I'm gonna then have to come and see Casha in two years because of the damage it's gonna do. How do we get in front of this is where I, I guess I'm, kind of uh, going with this, this education, the devils and the details. Can you expand on it for those two instances?Yeah, absolutely. And I have a lot of resources, but probably less off the top of my head of people who much smarter than I am, who are leading this kind of change in the dental industry, in the orthodontic industry.As you mention James Nestor's book, there's also a book called jaws, [...0.7s] which, which is is very, is very critical of the orthodontic space.And, and kind of highlights how there were two pathways in orthodontia. There was one that said pull the teeth to make the teeth straight, and the other path was make room for the teeth. And as you can see in the past, uh, few generations of, of people that I work with now, a lot of people had teeth removed in order to make their teeth straight.And now there is this big sea change [...0.6s] and going back to the devil being in the details that might not be the orthodontist that you're seeing.So you need to be an educated consumer of whatever you're going to do. Because the person that you might be seeing may have not Learned this stuff. They may have not been taught this.And, um, and just like in my profession and in my field, [...0.5s] I didn't know about posture restoration as a fitness professional before. And now I'm in, I'm bringing that about to more and more fitness professionals as well so that they continue to advance their education in this space.But I would say that most partial restoration providers are going to be educated on the dental component of the body and the airway. Not all dentists, not all orthodontists are going to be airway [...0.8s] savvy.So airway meaning, uh, how the bite is going to impact their breathing. It's like how it's going to impact their alignment of their spine. And so there's there's a, there are number of professionals that I'll probably send to you guys and just have put in the show notes of who to look into.Um, because, [...0.5s] yeah, the biological dentistry space is getting bigger now where we're starting to talk about, oh, do you need a cavity filled or do you need to remitralize the teeth? And, and improve the biome of the body and the health of the body so that the teeth can, can fix themselves? Because just like bones can heal, your teeth can heal as well.And so a lot of these concepts [...0.7s] are being challenged and really pushed through number of people.But just like in my experience with my own body, [...0.6s] I mean, it took me 19, 20 years to come across someone who said, oh, it's actually not like that. It's like, this and then I was like, what, why did my doctor 20 years ago say this this way or that way, or why did I not know that surprised?Most of the cavities that I had as a teenager were, because I was mouth breathing. And now I haven't had a cavity in many years because I, you know, improved my diet and, and the health of my environment.And so and, and I no longer snore and mouth breathe. So all the dental components are, are part of that same framework within posture restoration. So I can absolutely, [...0.5s] um, send you that, but the book jaws is one of, um, [...0.7s] Oxygen Advantage is another book about, about breathing [...1.0s] and breath work.There's a few people that are just not crossing my brain at the moment, but I can definitely share those as well. So [...0.6s] even just googling airway down to streak and often lead you to a better lane. Um, like you said with your employees having to do this, this now with, with their kids.I think this is kind of the more challenging thing because of course I don't fault my parents [...0.8s] her for what they chose for me when I was younger, but it is, it's something that now [...1.0s] those decisions, [...0.6s] if you can make them from a holistic perspective, you might end up delaying orthodontia, you might end up choosing expansion, expansion versus braces, you might end up choosing re mineralization of teeth instead of [...0.7s] filling cavities. Um, you might, you might pursue healing tea [...0.6s] instead of doing a root canal.And all of these things can be, let's say a little bit more, unfortunately, pricey [...0.8s] or cheaper in some ways.It just depends on your level of being able to, let's say, have patience and wait as well. Because, um, [...0.5s] I think often times [...1.0s] I can't speak Turks, I don't have kids, but I have four, four nieces and nephews and a lot of, uh, a lot of times [...0.6s] there's like a rush to do everything right. They're like, we have to do this now or else it's gonna look like this.And it's like, [...0.6s] I don't know, [...0.5s] should we, should we look up and, and [...0.5s] let the kids play outside more?From my perspective, when people are asking me what, [...0.5s] um you know, I'll get messages all day and be like, oh, my kid has really bad posture and this and this, I'll say get off the screens and go outside three hours outside every day.That'll fix posture issues a lot faster [...0.5s] than trying to expect a 10 year old to sit and do breathing exercises. They seem to be outside. Their posture will change and evolve as they do more. Um, but the screens are kind of a big thing.The screen signaling [...1.1s] is not just because kids are sitting like this, right? [...1.1s] Like looking at their screens, but it's also because when we're on a screen, [...0.7s] our visual system is operating at a very unnatural way.We're really converging on screens. And so you may have heard the term screen apnea. So our breathing changes. So if your breathing is changing, your breathing shallow and a little bit more sympathetic. Guess what? Your body will adapt to that [...0.7s] depending on the position that you're in, depending on [...1.2s] all of these things.So with that, I'm going too much into my own history. I also had visual issues, um, digital issues, [...0.5s] again, the root cause being developmental. So if something was going on down here, you can bet something was also going on up here at this level. [...1.6s]Yeah, makes total sense. I've kind of had the same experience. If I was in my [...0.9s] probably mid 40s and had been dealing with allergies and all that stuff my whole life. Change my nutrition on my own.And the first, next time allergies and came around, I didn't have any. I had nothing. And I was so mad because I was like for 47 years, I did shots and pills and [...0.5s] suffered and missed work and all of a sudden I just stopped eating.You know, [...0.5s] mercy for me. It was [...0.8s] carbs and things that were just for me were inflammatory [...0.6s] and I was done.Yep, and, you know, like you said, I wasn't upset with the [...0.7s] system or my parents or anything else because they didn't know, but [...0.6s] it took me to say, I'm not going, I'm tired of suffering and just go out on my own and try something in a [...0.9s] world, [...0.9s] I wish it wasn't that way. [...1.2s]Well, where can we point people on our share notes to find more about you, your practice, and what you're doing so that we can share this message with him. So I think it's something people are, people going to be interested in.Oh, I love that. Thank you. Um, I'm mostly on Instagram and LinkedIn, gosh, Angelica. And I also have an online on demand platform with my calling colleague Lauren Shelton. And that's gonna be Loa movement, Loa movement dot com. And so that audience is mostly, um, moms.So, so we really, we really cater to women, our age, um, and, and older [...0.7s] who typically are gonna wanna work out at home. They want 30 minute sessions and they want to do this rebalancing work, which is what I, what I teach as well.So I teach [...0.7s] rebalancing, which is essentially my way [...0.8s] of sharing partial restoration to a general audience.So like I said, as you can imagine, I did yoga for 15 years. I love that kind of movement practice, but it ended up twisting, contorting my body in a way that I then had to rehab from. And so yoga, if your body is already balanced, probably really great. If your body is already really imbalanced and often times, um, potentially imbalance you a little further because it's designed to be, you know, you're doing the same thing on both sides, you're barefoot, [...1.3s] etc.Which are all the variables of the environment that lead to the changes in our body.So going back to really connecting it to the, to the natural elements of our world, if we were all just outside, you know, walking on argulating surface and [...0.5s] around all the time, well then we wouldn't need to do so much correcting all the time because it really is our environment that is not conducive to how our bodies are designed to operate.We're designed for all this variable, [...1.1s] non structured looking kind of environment.Climbing, you know, weirdness, not just from our senses of our feet and our hands, but also our eyes [...0.5s] and the way that we chew, etc. So low movement. Com, uh, we use that, uh, and, and love that community to really be able to [...0.6s] provide that as a resource because I miss those.I missed teaching yoga and I missed teaching group fitness the way that I had for a long time. So I teach it there, uh, in reintroducing rhythm [...0.5s] because [...0.6s] that was enough. Where, [...0.5s] when was the last time either of you went dancing? [...2.0s] Yeah, [...3.0s] waiting to see the faces.Yeah, dancing is, dancing is an extremely healthy thing for us to [...0.8s] EWW, the very natural thing, right, that we're supposed to do.But I think in the age of social media, we're actually getting worse at dancing because we're worried about who's gonna record us, yeah, and put it on the internet [...1.4s] meme. But it doesn't matter if you can't dance to the rhythm, or if you can't, [...0.6s] you know, aren't a professional dancer. Dancing, you know, is this amazing way to, to feel and to express ourselves.So I think that's the last thing I'll leave people with, is obviously, do you want to be dancing next to your colleague?I don't know, maybe not in the workplace, but, but sometimes just [...0.8s] music can be really calming and settling. So in the workplace, some, some good mood music in the, in the rec room might actually [...1.5s] introduce a nice vibe for the workers.You get what I mean? Yeah, [...1.1s] smallest environmental change can make a big difference. Yeah, great, [...0.7s] anything else? No, this has been awesome conversation. Yeah, we appreciate having you on today.Thank you, and sorry for the, uh, for the environment that I'm in, cause I'm sure it made you a little dizzy with my up and down in this truck. But I appreciate [...0.6s] being on here and chatting with y'all, because it is you guys are working with amazing population.And [...0.5s] obviously, I care about the health of [...0.9s] our workforce in America, so I think we can do better with a little bit more [...0.5s] appreciation for the mechanisms [...0.6s] of our body [...0.5s] and the nuance and the details of, of what we're designed for, not just what we think is healthy, right? But really what, what are we really designed for? [...1.6s]I love. That's a great message, great way to end, [...0.6s] um, wanna say thank you to our audience for listening to another episode of the Healthy Team, Healthy Business podcast. We're gonna share all the links that, uh, cost you talked about in our show notes.So please make sure you share this episode with your network, um, on your social media, etc. So that we can get this message out to more people and hopefully get more people, uh, moving and feeling better, which is what ultimately we're all about. So, [...0.5s] uh, everyone take care and we'll see you soon. [...0.4s][...0.4s]